Comments on: Rails for Java Developers http://wagnerblog.com/2007/02/rails-for-java-developers/ Development Ideas and Ramblings Tue, 14 Oct 2008 20:14:10 -0700 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.8.4 hourly 1 By: Thomas http://wagnerblog.com/2007/02/rails-for-java-developers/comment-page-1/#comment-489 Thomas Wed, 21 Feb 2007 14:13:30 +0000 http://wagnerblog.com/?p=781#comment-489 Nothing like holding my blog comments against me :) I admit that in order to buy into that one line of code you also have to buy into a lot of other baggage that comes with with use of a prebuilt framework. I was amazed by the difference between Hibernate an ActiveRecord. Of course you write your own tools. You need to elaborate on Tools an Hacks what proper engineering is. Nothing like holding my blog comments against me :)
I admit that in order to buy into that one line of code you also have to buy into a lot of other baggage that comes with with use of a prebuilt framework. I was amazed by the difference between Hibernate an ActiveRecord. Of course you write your own tools. You need to elaborate on Tools an Hacks what proper engineering is.

]]> By: Dan http://wagnerblog.com/2007/02/rails-for-java-developers/comment-page-1/#comment-490 Dan Wed, 21 Feb 2007 12:50:28 +0000 http://wagnerblog.com/?p=781#comment-490 "Did you see that? 1 line of code!" Going back to the analogy discussed here the other day regarding the computer engineering profession as compared to doctors and lawyers: could you imagine a doctor bragging to his patient "I can remove that appendix with 1 yank!", or a lawyer bragging to her client "I can beat that murder rap with 1 sentence!"...? Your skepticism about these quick-start frameworks is well-founded. Frameworks are now all about gimmicks and buzzwords. You might say we're in the "tail-fin era" of the software engineering profession, where the noise generated by features like schema-o-matic obscures any real discussion about proper engineering. “Did you see that? 1 line of code!”

Going back to the analogy discussed here the other day regarding the computer engineering profession as compared to doctors and lawyers: could you imagine a doctor bragging to his patient “I can remove that appendix with 1 yank!”, or a lawyer bragging to her client “I can beat that murder rap with 1 sentence!”…?

Your skepticism about these quick-start frameworks is well-founded. Frameworks are now all about gimmicks and buzzwords. You might say we’re in the “tail-fin era” of the software engineering profession, where the noise generated by features like schema-o-matic obscures any real discussion about proper engineering.

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